1. Tamra Monroe

    Their marriage was consummated. Arthur was not sickly & weak, if he had been then Henry VII would not have pinned all his hopes on him and left his younger son out of training for rule. The sweating sickness and malaria we’re both noted for taking down the strongest and healthiest of men. Katharine firmly believed the Pope was God’s voice on earth. If the Pope declared her a virgin then Katharine would consider herself virginal and untouched, especially considering the amount of time passed between marriages. Had she been a virgin she surely would have stated that when Lady Magaret and Queen Elizabeth were waiting the 6 months to ensure she was not pregnant. There is also the witnesses, including those claiming to have seen the sheets. On top of ALL OF THIS, Katharine was raised to be queen and knew the marriage must be consummated to be legal, her and Arthur’s love letters and pleas for a papal dispensation to marry younger. Do you think for 1 minute that Katharine of Aragon would give any cause to say she was not truly married to Arthur or his true wife? Her mother most definitely installed proper protocol in her child. That does not excuse Henry…just saying.

    • Tudors Dynasty

      Clearly we have different takes on this matter. By the way, it had been documented that Arthur was sickly so I’m not sure why you think he wasn’t. I’m sure Henry VII was hopeful he would get better – why wouldn’t he think so? If this topic was so cut and dry we would t still be debating it centuries later.

      • Tamra Monroe

        Not all historians agree that Arthur was sickly. Henry VII was a shrewd and careful man as was his mother Lady Margaret. To say Henry would pin all his hopes on a weak child seems completely out of character. Henry VIII had not been trained to rule as one would expect if they felt they needed a spare just in case. I have not seen any reputable proof of Arthur being a sickly child. Other than his death when both be and Katharine were sick, which would not be proof as Arthur would not have gotten Katharine sick because he was a sickly child. I do wonder if it was malaria, given the region and Katharine’s future problems with her pregnancies. It is sad to think antibiotics could have saved that woman so much heartache, but then we would not have had Elizabeth.

  2. scarlettudor

    I just started reading Allison Weir’s ‘Katherine of Aragon: The True Queen.’ I’m on page 300 of over 500 pages on my Nook. Her development of the characters of Katherine and Henry are excellent. We’re not often aware that they loved each other passionately until miscarried and stillborn sons and daughters (except for Mary) mired them in grief and doubt. Thomas Boleyn has just been mentioned and his ‘fair’ daughter Mary who became Henry’s mistress before Anne. Bessie Blount had already entered the picture and given birth to Henry Fitzroy, the son who made Henry believe he could sire sons, with a different wife.

    • Tudors Dynasty

      That was a fantastic read. The book on Anne is arriving in my mailbox in Tuesday and I cannot wait to read her take on Anne. If I recall correctly Weir is promoting this series as fiction, right?

  3. Ellie Merritt

    In my opinion she would not have lied. England required a male per Henry’s wish, but I can see Katerine not having a female queen on the throne as her mother was one of the strongest queens and had no problem ruling. I would imagine that might have argued that point that you don’t see in any movies. However, if she had won the argument the line died very quickly since Mary died early in her reign. To bad he couldn’t see the potential of women because Elizabeth I was a better ruler than he was and for a longer more successful time.

  4. Maria

    she was the true wife of Henry I believe her 100% she was never a liar or a manipulator she was a true Christian woman wrongly treated by Henry and his camp.

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